tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2567859015477147199.post1832696885696291172..comments2024-02-19T00:33:18.098-08:00Comments on Plugs and Cars: Plug-in Hybrid Study: Electricity BetterMarc Gellerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10713605804380494009noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2567859015477147199.post-20668407955298218382012-08-30T20:19:53.256-07:002012-08-30T20:19:53.256-07:00I think every person should glance at this.I think every person should glance at this.Marybethhttp://www.germantown-tn.gov/redirect.aspx?url=http://www.cleananglingpledge.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2567859015477147199.post-17226481303919536392011-03-07T10:55:17.811-08:002011-03-07T10:55:17.811-08:00is not only cheaper, is also friendly with the amb...is not only cheaper, is also friendly with the ambient, is the most easy to development it, the electric energy is more easy to get that gas.Viagra Onlinehttp://www.iservepharmacy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2567859015477147199.post-55795133966401413502007-07-19T16:50:00.000-07:002007-07-19T16:50:00.000-07:00So as not to pick on UCS, I'll move on to Sierra C...So as not to pick on UCS, I'll move on to Sierra Club. Here's their lead spokesman on car issues in the NY Times in April, 2005. "The concern on plug-in hybrids is that we not substitute addiction to one polluting fuel for addiction to a more polluting fuel," said Dan Becker, the head of the Sierra Club's global warming and energy program. "Coal is more polluting than gasoline, and nearly 60 percent of U.S. electricity is generated by burning coal." They've not retracted the statement or said anything different since.Marc Gellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713605804380494009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2567859015477147199.post-50090800008497336582007-07-19T16:44:00.000-07:002007-07-19T16:44:00.000-07:00In fact that's my point. Much of the websites have...In fact that's my point. Much of the websites have good information. (Though UCS has Bill Nye the Science Guy saying "isn't it great you don't have to plug hybrids in.") What I'm referring to has to do with their public comments in news stories when actual plug-ins are discussed. For example, in a recent San Diego newspaper report on the plug-in hybrid effort there, (quoting Felix Kramer) "Asked to comment, the Union of Concerned Scientists spokesman parrots the "we don't pick winners" apology that for years has let the carmakers off the hook on electrifying cars. This hampers public education and permits lobbyists for hydrogen and corn ethanol -- both offering more obstacles and fewer benefits than electricity -- to control most research dollars and incentives." Earlier this year when the Volt was much in the news, rather than offer even general support for a griddable car, the UCS spokesperson said very specifically what we need are simply cleaner, more efficient gasoline cars. I want enviros to acknowledge, whether or not there is product available, that electric miles are cleaner and cheaper than petroleum miles.Marc Gellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713605804380494009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2567859015477147199.post-3798874357182996382007-07-19T16:20:00.000-07:002007-07-19T16:20:00.000-07:00Marc: how is UCS dismissing plug-in hybrids? I se...Marc: how is UCS dismissing plug-in hybrids? I searched ucsusa.org and found only the following sentence: "Congress should be supporting research in biofuels as well as clean hydrogen and electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles powered with renewable electricity, but not at the expense of proven solutions that are available right now." What else do they say, and where?<BR/><BR/>Their hybridcenter.org says "The final level of hybridization extends the electric motor's capacity to drive the car by recharging the battery from a clean energy grid (i.e. "plug in"). This would allow the hybrid to operate solely as a battery-electric vehicle for as much as 20-60 miles, thus improving their environmental performance if they are using clean sources of electricity. A Plug-in can operate as a typical full hybrid if it is not recharged from the power grid, so the benefits of this feature are largely dependent on how often the consumer plugs in. The biggest challenge with these hybrids is cost—they have the highest up-front costs because they require larger motors and battery packs to ensure good vehicle performance and sufficient all-electric range."<BR/><BR/>At another ucsusa.org page, I found that only plug-in hybrids could get 5 checkmarks, the highest rating.<BR/><BR/>Some of the support seems lukewarm, but "dismisses plug-ins of all sorts" seems the opposite of what I'm seeing online.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com